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Comments and Results for 'Futoshiki-7 478'

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UnplayedFutoshikiFutoshiki-7 4787x710620:27Mild (60)Subscribers only26th Nov-
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25:11
Completed by81 users
Best time without any aid7:57 by Coalchaser
Best time with show wrong
or multiple sessions
6:00 by jstiehler
Average solve time with no or minor aid17:43
Average rating - all players3.3/10.0
Average rating - no aid2.5/10.0
Average rating - major aid4.0/10.0
Average rating - show wrong or
multiple sessions
3.1/10.0
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Posted 26th Nov 2018 at 18:35
Penelope Daily subscriber Rated puzzle: Hard Completion time: 43:31 Used 'check puzzle' when incorrect
I'm astonished anyone managed to complete this one without aids. I found it impossible!
Posted 26th Nov 2018 at 20:56
carlotes Daily subscriber Rated puzzle: Moderate Completion time: 23:08
In a few days you try it again. Calmly, quietly and using logic you'll see how you do it without any help, Penelope.
Posted 27th Nov 2018 at 16:14
Last edited by Penelope 27th Nov 2018 at 16:15
Penelope Daily subscriber Rated puzzle: Hard Completion time: 43:31 Used 'check puzzle' when incorrect
I wonder why so few people reply to comments. I find it really interesting and helpful to hear what others have to say.
Posted 28th Nov 2018 at 11:03
Last edited by Elisabeth 28th Nov 2018 at 12:22
Elisabeth Has not played this puzzle yet
I agree, Penelope. Sadly, it doesn't appear many people are interested in learning or in helping others; there are a few exceptions but I am surprised in this day of social media there is not more exchange of ideas.
Posted 28th Nov 2018 at 15:31
JoergWausW Has not played this puzzle yet
First, this is a daily-subscriber puzzle, so not too many people do it. I guess the social media argument is: this comment section is not considered social media. If Gareth made fb-, insta- etc pages with a part-screenshot of every puzzle and a link to it, you might find all your desired comments.... there - but not here. Unless they are mirrored here.
I prefer this social-media-free environment. Keeps it simple.
Posted 28th Nov 2018 at 17:51
Last edited by Elisabeth 28th Nov 2018 at 17:53
Elisabeth Has not played this puzzle yet
I don't understand your second line JoergWausW, not being up in the technical stuff but since there is a discussion page it is a pity more people don't make use of it. Incidentally I am not a daily subscriber but like to keep in touch with what is going on. I only meant that with people being used to commenting on social media I thought they might automartically react, but obviously I am wrong!:) Several years back there used to be frequent exchange of ideas about a particular puzzle.
Posted 28th Nov 2018 at 19:03
JoergWausW Has not played this puzzle yet
I was part of a couple forums where we chatted a lot about stuff - but social networks took the people away. It was easier for them to chat on fb than to chat in the forums.There are lots of forums that are not maintained anymore - people use social networks instead. Reason: It's one app for all.
I'm not a member of any social network (I rather like to talk to people directly, like on the phone or eye to eye - or with private messages at those forums) - so I was left out most of the time, unless someone told me what was going on. My wife and I live in Germany - her family in America (where she's from) is not good with email anymore, but seems to communicate on fb most of the time. Same problem for her.
Most members of my family are using Whatsapp, and they are always complaining that they have to write/tell me separately...
From my point of view, social interaction became a service for the masses - "shout out" to everyone what you have to say, and use the same service for private/direct messages, or informing certain groups of friends about stuff. In other words: keep as many contacts as possible with the least efford/use of time.
And to keep "in touch", some people put there phone on the dinner table, some leave them in their pockets. But as soon as there is a new message they all have to look at it, interrupting the real life conversation. Not to do that, seems to have become the exception. There will be a time where a family sits at the dinner table and they use only their messenger app to talk to each other...
Posted 28th Nov 2018 at 20:32
Penelope Daily subscriber Rated puzzle: Hard Completion time: 43:31 Used 'check puzzle' when incorrect
I wasn't suggesting Facebook type chats JoergWausW, just comments on the puzzles and the best way to solve them. As Elisabeth says, there used to be far more discussion and I personally learnt a lot from them.
Posted 28th Nov 2018 at 20:51
JoergWausW Has not played this puzzle yet
I wasn't suggesting it either - I observed that this is what people seem to prefer. And I think this is sad.
Posted 29th Nov 2018 at 01:55
Pseudo Daily subscriber Best completion time: 12:03 Time on first attempt: 13:54 Used 'show wrong moves' Used 'check puzzle' when incorrect
I'm not so good at smalltalk but I'm happy to post hints about puzzles. The problem is that hints can ruin a puzzle for people who prefer to figure things out themselves.

For example, for this puzzle I had to use 3 X-Wings to solve it. If I had known that before starting it, it would have been a lot easier and I would have found it a lot less enjoyable!

Maybe we need "spoiler" tags like on other forums?

Posted 29th Nov 2018 at 11:48
Penelope Daily subscriber Rated puzzle: Hard Completion time: 43:31 Used 'check puzzle' when incorrect
Good point , Pseudo. I'm hopeless at finding X wings so I'd probably have just given up! A spoiler tag is a good idea though
Posted 29th Nov 2018 at 13:59
Pseudo Daily subscriber Best completion time: 12:03 Time on first attempt: 13:54 Used 'show wrong moves' Used 'check puzzle' when incorrect
I'm not so good at spotting them in Sudoku but they're usually a bit easier in Futoshiki because there's less squares to look at! And they tend to be more common with 1's and 7's (or whatever the highest number is).
Posted 29th Nov 2018 at 15:48
gareth Administrator Daily subscriber Has not played this puzzle yet
A spoiler tag is a great idea, and I also think that when I eventually get round to rewriting Puzzlemix (the current site dates to 2007, and the number-based players date to 2005) that I should add incentives for commenting. You could, for example, gain 'badges' or marks next to your user id after posting a certain number of comments. I could also provide rewards for extra-useful comments, perhaps with free bonus puzzles or that kind of thing.
Posted 29th Nov 2018 at 15:50
gareth Administrator Daily subscriber Has not played this puzzle yet
Oh - and not everyone 'discovers' the comments. They are obvious enough when you use the site for a while, but on a first or second visit you might easily not realise you can click through to them. They should probably appear as you close a puzzle, which in turn would need me to remove the pop-up puzzle player and embed it back into the main window. I haven't done that to date because I like how easy it is to resize in a pop-up window, but I need to do that at some point to improve compatibility with pop-up blockers anyway.

It would also be helpful to have the site highlight new comments for you. At the moment you have to visit the 'Discussion forum' page and open ones that you remember are newer than your last visit.

Posted 29th Nov 2018 at 19:43
Penelope Daily subscriber Rated puzzle: Hard Completion time: 43:31 Used 'check puzzle' when incorrect
Thanks Gareth... That sounds good
Posted 2nd Dec 2018 at 23:07
purrs Daily subscriber Best completion time: 8:17 Time on first attempt: 9:20 Used 'valid marks' Used 'auto remove' Used 'show wrong moves'
What are X-wings?
Posted 3rd Dec 2018 at 02:24
Pseudo Daily subscriber Best completion time: 12:03 Time on first attempt: 13:54 Used 'show wrong moves' Used 'check puzzle' when incorrect
Here's a good explanation: https://www.sudokuoftheday.com/techniques/x-wings/
Posted 3rd Dec 2018 at 06:04
purrs Daily subscriber Best completion time: 8:17 Time on first attempt: 9:20 Used 'valid marks' Used 'auto remove' Used 'show wrong moves'
oh! I didn't know that had a name
Posted 3rd Dec 2018 at 08:31
Penelope Daily subscriber Rated puzzle: Hard Completion time: 43:31 Used 'check puzzle' when incorrect
That's exactly the sort of comment I was thinking of. Useful and informative without being a spoiler..
Posted 4th Dec 2018 at 11:53
Elisabeth Has not played this puzzle yet
Well done, Penelope, keep going!! One or two others have joined in which is good. Hints don't have to be spoilers and occasionally a specific question is asked. People don't have to read the comments before doing the puzzle if afraid of being told too much:)
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